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  burn your Ray Franz books

  by edward gentry in

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  went over to a disassociated witnesses house the other night,.

  former org hatchet man,now as violently opposed to the org as he was, once, enslaved by them.. hes talkin "raymond franz says this...franz says that" all night.. it made me sick to my guts.. franz was pure borg heirachy, born and bred to power.. now hes opposed (if he aint dead by now)and these ex borg mind slaves are still listening to the guy like hes a repository of truth.. im not attacking ray franz,hes probably a nice guy,im just floating an idea.

  what is a free mind?.

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  edward gentry

  joy

  I am saying he is still a borg mind slave.

  As for Rays books, I especially like the 3rd chapter of IS of CF
  about how Christianity got turned into a totalitarian pyramid of control in the second century.
  The WT society followed exactly the same pattern.
  But to know that you would have to do your own research thru all the WT ever published, from 1879 forward.
  Dont know whether you have read it but Russells "Scripture studies"
  volume 3 contains very interesting info from page 180 forward on the subject of controlling organizations, which Russell was condemning , by the way, the interesting thing is that, Russells org, after he was dead, initiated ALL the practises he condemned.
  I often wonder... if thereis a hell...is Russell burning?
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  burn your Ray Franz books

  by edward gentry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  went over to a disassociated witnesses house the other night,.

  former org hatchet man,now as violently opposed to the org as he was, once, enslaved by them.. hes talkin "raymond franz says this...franz says that" all night.. it made me sick to my guts.. franz was pure borg heirachy, born and bred to power.. now hes opposed (if he aint dead by now)and these ex borg mind slaves are still listening to the guy like hes a repository of truth.. im not attacking ray franz,hes probably a nice guy,im just floating an idea.

  what is a free mind?.

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  edward gentry

  joy to be free.

  Some advise.

  Always get your facts straight before you open your mouth.
  Otherwise you will be publicly embarrassed.
  I have read both Ray Franz books.
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  burn your Ray Franz books

  by edward gentry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  went over to a disassociated witnesses house the other night,.

  former org hatchet man,now as violently opposed to the org as he was, once, enslaved by them.. hes talkin "raymond franz says this...franz says that" all night.. it made me sick to my guts.. franz was pure borg heirachy, born and bred to power.. now hes opposed (if he aint dead by now)and these ex borg mind slaves are still listening to the guy like hes a repository of truth.. im not attacking ray franz,hes probably a nice guy,im just floating an idea.

  what is a free mind?.

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  edward gentry

  well said Bodhisatva

  Im not trying to be nasty to Ray baby here.
  Just floating a thought stream.
  Thats what, hopefully, this site is all about
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  burn your Ray Franz books

  by edward gentry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  went over to a disassociated witnesses house the other night,.

  former org hatchet man,now as violently opposed to the org as he was, once, enslaved by them.. hes talkin "raymond franz says this...franz says that" all night.. it made me sick to my guts.. franz was pure borg heirachy, born and bred to power.. now hes opposed (if he aint dead by now)and these ex borg mind slaves are still listening to the guy like hes a repository of truth.. im not attacking ray franz,hes probably a nice guy,im just floating an idea.

  what is a free mind?.

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  edward gentry

  Went over to a disassociated Witnesses house the other night,
  former org hatchet man,now as violently opposed to the org as he was, once, enslaved by them.
  Hes talkin "Raymond Franz says this...Franz says that" All night.
  It made me sick to my guts.
  Franz was pure borg heirachy, born and bred to power.
  Now hes opposed (if he aint dead by now)and these ex borg mind slaves are still listening to the guy like hes a repository of truth.

  Im not attacking Ray Franz,hes probably a nice guy,Im just floating an idea. What is a free mind?

  Ive got a lot of books on the shelves here about assorted cults,
  the thing is, they are ALL written by people who were connected to the Heirachy of the cult. Sun myung Moons former daughter in law.
  Erica Heftmanns Moonie expose only got published because she used to clean Moons house, so she was in the presence of the guru and all the ex moonie mind slaves can feel his presence when they read Heftmann.

  Mark Breault, former right arm man of David Koresh.Theres another one.
  Everybody who's interested in Koresh ringin him up asking his expert opinion.

  These guys are still borg, just anti borg borg.
  Still makin a living off their former power as slave masters.

  Do your OWN research.

  Just a thought that occurred to me, not an utterance of absolute opinion.
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  Society lifts ban on Spiritual Fornication

  by LovesDubs in

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  .....so they can do it and nobody else can...check this post from the newsgroups that i responded to:.

  subject: re: watchtower official response to un scandal.

  from: [email protected] (lovesmenot).

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  edward gentry

  The Witness leaders have a LONNGGG history of covering up mistakes
  they are like a little child who sneaks a candy bar into his bedroom to eat then hides the wrapper under his pillow hoping mummy wont find it. These are very guilt riddled, childish men we are dealing with and their primary response is, now, to conceal.
  But then, if you had spent the past 60 years livin at Headquarters
  learning the established patterns of behaviour you might find it hard to change too.
  Fact is, if the Borg had come out and admitted theyd messed up, at the start, like the Adventists did, none of these concealment
  problems would be bothering them today. They made a choice, way back when, to conceal, now they do it compulsively, because of their own guilt.They are riddled with it.
  The WT heirachy could always follow the example of Chairman Mao ( a cunning man) Mao publicly declared in his "hundred flowers" campaign
  that his system of practise wasnt ABSOLUTELY perfect and invited dissenters to express their opinions so he could incorporate their views. They fell for it. As soon as they crawled out of thw woodwork
  he sent them all to "thought reform" school.
  Lesson? Only the silent survive.
  It would be interesting to know how many ex dubs out there follow the example they learnt from the Borg leaders and conceal, like naughty little boys, their misbehavins, even petty ones...I know I do.
  I learnt this pattern from the borg.
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  New Letter From WTS re UN issue.....

  by ISP in

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  yes just as we expected the next move by the wts in this mother of all cock-ups....... world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses .

  25 columbia heights, brooklyn, ny 11201-2483 tel.

  718 560-5000. xxxx november 11, 2001 no.

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  edward gentry

  Im sure it will please you to know....
  You got me.
  I read the word "s.h.i.t" and actually thought for about 2 seconds then realized Id been had.
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  Unfullfilling Prophecy......

  by ISP in

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  the wts has made a whole range of prophecies that are fulfilled in seemingly insignificant matters.

  the cedar point conventions are foretold in revelation...they say.

  but there are much more significant events that don't get a mention!

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  edward gentry

  Oh judge Rutherford! Oh those tongues of fire!! descending!!!
  No!...It burns! it BURNNSSS!!
  Actually, I hope you guys dont mind but henceforth Im going to use the term "borg" as well. Love that term.
  My all time favourite witness "shifting sands of interpretation"
  thing is comparing The good old "Finished Mystery" interp of Revelation, scripture by scripture, with their current interp.
  I believe there isnt a damn interp thats remained the same.
  Even the rider on the White horse they got wrong. In "F M"its Satan.
  A real eyepopper comparing them.
  I found another beauty from 1971, (it was a very good year)
  Read the entire December 15th issue of the WT for 1971.
  Behold the borgs twisted reasoning as they try to tell everyone theres been a "governing body"since 1879 while trying to organize a corporation vote to establish the GB!
  Its a classic!
  (Sorry the 1971 WT is the only volume unpacked at the moment)
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  Unfullfilling Prophecy......

  by ISP in

  1. jw
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  the wts has made a whole range of prophecies that are fulfilled in seemingly insignificant matters.

  the cedar point conventions are foretold in revelation...they say.

  but there are much more significant events that don't get a mention!

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  edward gentry

  hey, the Witnesses cant claim rights to the 1780 "dark day", the Adventists have had dibs on that one since the 1830s.
  Wasnt there something a few years back about the Witnesses shifting the "generation" to commence 1957 with the launch of sputnik?
  Like the interp of Daniels 2300 days in the Wt of Dec 1,1971.
  The writer cant make up his mind when they start and finish!
  (WT 1971,pages724-726)
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  Unfullfilling Prophecy......

  by ISP in

  1. jw
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  the wts has made a whole range of prophecies that are fulfilled in seemingly insignificant matters.

  the cedar point conventions are foretold in revelation...they say.

  but there are much more significant events that don't get a mention!

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  edward gentry

  I like the old stuff.
  The death of ezekials wife (or was it Jeremiahs) was paralleled
  by the disconnecting of pastor Russells wife from the org.
  Jesus in the temple at 12 years old was paralled by Russell reading his fathers business accounts at 12 years old.
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  Demonized? Evil? Mentally Ill?

  by teenyuck in

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  2. experiences

  recently i received an e-mail from someone very close to me.

  the e-mail was so vile, i stopped reading and called a good friend who is a jw.

  the jw knows the writer very well.

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  edward gentry

  was the person who sent the e-mail a witness?
  Wouldnt surprise me if he (she) was, lot of deranged ex witnesses out there buddy. How many Im not sure.
  Gotta start a string survey on that one before Im finished.
  Must tell you ,though out of the org 20 years, I still havent worked out the demonization thing.
  Dont know whether they exist or not.
  Appears its one of those things that, unfortunately,if you're not going to accept a church line on it, you'll have to decide for yourself.